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pdisme
05-29-2007, 01:21 PM
For those of you who hate reading, video link is at the bottom. LOL

What a blast Barber is, and now that I'm getting more comfortable with the Radical, I'm starting to put in some decent lap times. I spun it at Sebring with Chin last time and I think that was actually a good thing; prior to that I spent a decent amount of time worrying what it would feel like for the rear end to start coming around since it hadn't happened. After that the worry was gone and this time at Barber I started testing things out on several corners and ended up with some oversteer multiple times that was easily corrected now that I know what it feels like as it begins.

I went to Barber with the BMW Club of Alabama and since I'd only had 1/2 day there before, they put me in the novice "D" group Saturday morning. Well that was a disaster, I think I put two laps on the entire grid during the 20 minute session. Rest of the day and first session of Sunday morning I was in the "C" group and started making some real progress but was still getting hung up behind people not giving point by's early enough or at all. My instructor (Mark Schwammle, I think he's done Chin events before, he's very fast) and I also gave up on trying to communicate with the Chatterbox Saturday and both just wore ear plugs all day on Sunday and used hand signals for early, late, turn now, more gas, etc. It was at that point I realized just how distracting the noise of the Radical's engine and race exhaust is; with my 30 db ear plugs in it was like driving a whole new car, I was much less distracted and it almost immediately took five seconds off my lap times.

After the second session Sunday they bumped me up to the "B" group and things started to click; the drivers in there were much more aware of me coming up behind and would normally give point by's well in advance. During the last session on Sunday I got my best lap time of the weekend, 1:45 which is a second faster than the video on the Chin website ; actually when you watch the video you'll see I get held up for about three or four seconds waiting to pass into the hairpin so that knocked the time down a bit. The lap times are recorded based on start/stop at turn 5 because that's where my instructor remembered to hit the start button on the Traqmate. I threw in a little oversteer shot at the end too.

Other than that, the track and facility were awesome as usual, last session of the day on Sunday a heavily modded M3 and I were pacing each other, trading out the lead or chasing. Only real problem all weekend was a semi-novice in about a year old M3 who went into the kink on the back straight with too much speed, car started to unsettle and instead of running off into the mile of grass he got nervous and lifted which brought the car around, hit the grass perpendicular to the track and unfortunately the front left wheel was ripped off and the exposed suspension dug in and caused the car to roll:

http://www.talklambo.com/pics/data/530/medium/m31.jpg

http://www.talklambo.com/pics/data/530/medium/m32.jpg

Fortunately both driver and instructor were ok and climbed out.

The funny highlights of the weekend included someone who RENTED a Mercury Grand Marquis and threw track tires on it because their car was out of commission and they didn't want to miss out on their track time. It looked like a police car going around the track. There was also the Red Bull Mini doing laps during lunch; it of course had the big Red Bull can on the back!

http://www.talklambo.com/pics/data/530/medium/redbull.jpg

Last but not least, the video; please right click and download. Comments and critiques are much welcomed, always good to have more perspective. Keep in mind that the brake indicator is still virtual (i.e. the software guessing) since I haven't hard wired it yet.

http://whoi.be/vroom/d/4228-2/Barber-200705.wmv

Minch00
05-29-2007, 03:25 PM
Looking good in the video Dave! Glad your weekend went well.

zzzzdoc
05-29-2007, 04:15 PM
Wow. That's amazing power your Radical gets without the engine even turning. Violates the 1st law of motion to boot. You should call your car the Newton.

pdisme
05-29-2007, 04:16 PM
LOL, yeah one of these days I'll hook up the brake and tach, just not high on my list of things to do. :)

Shuey2k
05-29-2007, 05:56 PM
Your lines don't look too bad, you are just leaving so much time on the table under braking. You are braking at the 300 mark and you can hold off until the 200 in most cases

pdisme
05-29-2007, 06:03 PM
I know, I think that's mostly a seat time issue. As the weekend progressed I was braking later and building my comfort level in how quickly the car could stop, just need to keep pushing it. Not quite ready for flat out through the kink either yet though, and I know there is a lot more grip available to carry me through turn 2 and the back side of the track, just increasing slowly but surely so I don't end up like that M3. :)

Oh, FYI, I've got Chris Hall scheduled to be my coach on Sunday at Sebring. I sent Mark an email asking to do my provisional solo checkout Saturday morning, hopefully he will be ok with that, I'll test out fine and I can lose the official instructor; then you and Chris can both ride with me as time allows instead since he'll be coaching Jamie in a different run group Saturday.

Shuey2k
05-29-2007, 10:23 PM
I know, I think that's mostly a seat time issue. As the weekend progressed I was braking later and building my comfort level in how quickly the car could stop, just need to keep pushing it. Not quite ready for flat out through the kink either yet though, and I know there is a lot more grip available to carry me through turn 2 and the back side of the track, just increasing slowly but surely so I don't end up like that M3. :)

Oh, FYI, I've got Chris Hall scheduled to be my coach on Sunday at Sebring. I sent Mark an email asking to do my provisional solo checkout Saturday morning, hopefully he will be ok with that, I'll test out fine and I can lose the official instructor; then you and Chris can both ride with me as time allows instead since he'll be coaching Jamie in a different run group Saturday.

Sounds good

jrfootin
05-30-2007, 02:00 AM
The big questions is.......

Is Greg going to show up next weekend?????????????????

Shawn
05-30-2007, 02:03 AM
awesome vid, looks like a lot of fun :)

pdisme
05-30-2007, 04:36 AM
The big questions is.......

Is Greg going to show up next weekend?????????????????

I sure hope so; unless something has gone wrong I don't see why his engine would not be back with more than enough time to get things put back together. What an ordeal.

pdisme
05-31-2007, 09:32 PM
A friend of mine just sent me some vid from his car at Barber, here's how to NOT go through the hairpin at Barber:

http://whoi.be/vroom/d/4235-2/barberoops.wmv

Shuey2k
06-01-2007, 08:27 AM
The big questions is.......

Is Greg going to show up next weekend?????????????????

I know, I promise I really do exist. I can't see why I wouldn't make it. I will be easy to find. Just look for 80 feet of RV and Trailer.

pdisme
06-01-2007, 09:56 AM
A friend that was there in his Dinan M3 just sent me a video from his camera:

http://whoi.be/vroom/d/4243-1/barbersr3tail.wmv

I'm embarrassed; look how that Mini was riding me at the end. :2gun:

pdisme
06-01-2007, 09:57 AM
I know, I promise I really do exist. I can't see why I wouldn't make it. I will be easy to find. Just look for 80 feet of RV and Trailer.

You're bringing the 360 if things aren't ready, it's been too long!!