Expensive detailing

[tomf-1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lamborghini-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Lamborghini-Murcielago-LP-640-PERSONALIZED-DETAIL_W0QQitemZ250110512434QQihZ015QQcategoryZ629 0QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Matt]

Ok my process is ALOT more complicated than his. The only thing he has that I dont is $7k wax because its pointless. definetly not worth $25k

Also, i really dont think this guy knows what hes doing. and I feel horrible for whoever places bids on that.

If anybody wants their lambo detailed let me know... I offer much more detailed... detailing, for a quarter of the price...

[Minch00]

Ok my process is ALOT more complicated than his. The only thing he has that I dont is $7k wax because its pointless. definetly not worth $25k

Also, i really dont think this guy knows what hes doing. and I feel horrible for whoever places bids on that.

If anybody wants their lambo detailed let me know... I offer much more detailed... detailing, for a quarter of the price...

I'll give you $20.

[Matt]

:lol2::lol2::lol2:

[Minch00]

You just lost $20.

[Matt]

You just lost $20.

I'd use more than $20 worth of products in the detail alone so yeah, I would be losing money :lol2:

[Minch00]

I'd use more than $20 worth of products in the detail alone so yeah, I would be losing money :lol2:

$25, but that's my final offer.

[Matt]

$25, but that's my final offer.

:fu:

[Tofu]

$25 and 4 dirty socks.

[pdisme]

What exactly makes wax worth $7000? Do they make it from Antarctic Yak toenails or something that can only be harvested on week of the year?

[Tofu]

I bet it's made from Yeti semen.

And you can imagine how hard that is to harvest....

[pdisme]

I found out how they harvest it!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YfgctyfORTY

[Matt]

It cost $7k because its made with 70% rare Brazilian #1 white carnauba. Thats 70% by volume, where your off the shelf wax like turtle wax that claim 100% carnauba are actually more like 5% carnauba by volume.

This stuff is worked on by hand same as the stuff I use and it sets rock hard and really adds some depth to the paint. I believe pure white carnauba actually costs more per ounce than gold. Its harvested from palm leaves in the brazilian rainforest then refined into two different types, yellow and white, white being the purest... kind of like cocaine. From there it is graded acordingly. Personally I think its unneccissary and some of Zymol's other wax does just as great a job for a lot less.

[pdisme]

Hmm, I can't imagine there's not a synthetic equivalent, car wax is not rocket science. :) And how much does that damn crystal jar it comes in cost?

[Matt]

Hmm, I can't imagine there's not a synthetic equivalent, car wax is not rocket science. :) And how much does that damn crystal jar it comes in cost?

Of course there are synthetic car sealants, but zymol doesn't use any chemicals in their wax, its all natural oils and such, which means its gentler on YOUR paint. you get what you pay for. The crystal jar is rediculous, i think thats why i dont like the zymol royale. Although the jar is refillable for life... free.

[pdisme]

Well I don't care what chemicals touch my paint if they're protecting it; that's like saying I shouldn't brush my teeth because toothpaste isn't natural. :lol2:

[Matt]

no, because in the long run what do you suppose chemicals are doing to your paint. they wear it down quicker. I agree, $7k is rediculous for wax, but i do like Zymols' wax

[pdisme]

Chemicals would only wear down paint if they weaken the molecular bond of whatever chemicals the paint or clear coat is made out of; there are natural substances which will wear paint down too, like power station coal soot or molten lava. :)

So does regular non-$7000 zymol have a high concentration of carnuba too or something like that?

[Matt]

yes. well... kind of.

The wax i use has a high carnauba content, but some of zymols cheaper products dont. They still have more than other companies, but i use their higher end waxs... just not the $7k royale :lol2:

I can justify spending a few hundred $ on good wax, but not thousands.

[zzzzdoc]

Griot's Garage catalog says that anything greater than 30% on the label is BS. It's unworkable at higher concentrations.

[zzzzdoc]

I usually have Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton come over and work it off as part of their court mandated community service.

And they always do a shitty job.

[Matt]

Griot's Garage catalog says that anything greater than 30% on the label is BS. It's unworkable at higher concentrations.

In theory that is correct. However, that is why Zymol's higher end waxs must be worked by hand. It melts in your hands and you rub it on by hand, hence when it dries and cures it is hard as concrete.

[pdisme]

I usually have Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton come over and work it off as part of their court mandated community service.

And they always do a shitty job.

Paris can't even have sex without stopping for to take a phone call, I wouldn't trust her with my car. :) Brittany looks like she's a auto body/car wash type of girl though so she should do well.


In theory that is correct. However, that is why Zymol's higher end waxs must be worked by hand. It melts in your hands and you rub it on by hand, hence when it dries and cures it is hard as concrete.

That seems weird, if it melts in your hands why would it not melt or evaporate away in the sunlight?

[Matt]

That seems weird, if it melts in your hands why would it not melt or evaporate away in the sunlight?

Because, once its been melted in your hands and massaged onto the paint, it is open to the air, and it cures. The wax is kept in a specially designed tub with an airtight lid.

[Tropicaldetail]

It cost $7k because its made with 70% rare Brazilian #1 white carnauba. Thats 70% by volume, where your off the shelf wax like turtle wax that claim 100% carnauba are actually more like 5% carnauba by volume.

This stuff is worked on by hand same as the stuff I use and it sets rock hard and really adds some depth to the paint. I believe pure white carnauba actually costs more per ounce than gold. Its harvested from palm leaves in the brazilian rainforest then refined into two different types, yellow and white, white being the purest... kind of like cocaine. From there it is graded acordingly. Personally I think its unneccissary and some of Zymol's other wax does just as great a job for a lot less.

There is some misinformation about Carnuauba wax.

A) There is no such thing as "white" carnuaba. In natural forum, carnuaba is yellow and some companies bleach it with Clorox to turn it white. I had a friend who was considering making his own waxes and helped him by doing a lot of the research. There is no such thing as white carnuaba.
B) 99% percent of all carnuaba comes from north east Brazil, the quality is not different from place to place and it usually cost a WHOPPING 5 dollars per 10 pounds.

C) Gummy bears are sealed in pure carnuaba. While semi glossy, you aren't what you call shiny. The gloss and shine you get from a carnuaba wax comes from the oils, glazes, and solvents that are added after the fact.

D) Carnuaba wax disloves at roughly 120 degrees, so in Florida on a dark car, the actually carnuaba is gone pretty quickly. What is left behind is the for mentioned oils, glazes, and solvents.

E) No wax is worth 7 grand, since you can purchase it for 5 dollars to get 10 pounds of wax. Marketing is what makes the wax so expenisive. However you do get an unlimited supply for your life.

F)Zymol Estate Glaze (I am assuming that is the wax this guy uses, I didn't check the link) is a marketing machine that uses high gloss oils. I have used it in the past and never found it lasting more then 6 weeks, and it never looked better then a 10 dollar bottle of Meguiar's #26.

G) Zymol Estate is in fact 67 percent by volume, but since the wax is the cheapest product (remember all wax is 5 dollars roughly for 10 pounds, bleaching it does add extra to the cost) in the product, the oils and glazes cost much more, so the wax actually cost less to produce them something with less carnuaba content.

[Tropicaldetail]

In theory that is correct. However, that is why Zymol's higher end waxs must be worked by hand. It melts in your hands and you rub it on by hand, hence when it dries and cures it is hard as concrete.

I'm not trying to rag on you man, but like I said I have experience with this, and Zymol Estate disolves at around 120 degrees. We did a lot of testing with this and other high end waxes. At around 93 degrees the Zymol would start to soften. Once wiped on, it had much worse durability then other waxes such as Souveran and Natty's Blue. Intrestingly enough, we found that the Meg's #16 and Collinite Insulator #845 had the longest protection, at around 5 weeks, while the oils in both provided good, tigh water beading (which many people mistake as protection for about 5 months).

For the ultimate in protection you durability, you cannot top synethic cross linked polymers such as Zaino and Optimum.