Go Lambo, FIA GT win!

[pdisme]

Greg's not going to like this, so I'm sure he'll respond with some drivel about how Ferrari has been winning races since Lamborghini was building tractors. :lol2:

http://www.fiagt.com/index.php?event=1&season=2007

"Christophe Bouchut and Stefan Mücke started the season in the best possible way, giving All-Inkl.com Racing and the Lamborghini Murciélago their first FIA GT win. With the new two-hour format, where strategy is incredibly important, the timing of the pit stops along with a safety-car period saw the nr 7 car take the lead. At the re-start, a storming Bouchut kept the lead ahead of Philipp Peter, sharing the nr 19 PSI Experience Corvette C6 with FIA GT newcomer Luke Hines, and the PK Carsport Corvette C5 of Bert Longin and Anthony Kumpen. With fastest laps being set one after the other, a frantic finish finally saw Lamborghini claim its first win."

:grinning-smiley-003

[jrfootin]

way to go Lambo!

[markr]

It took awhile but I was finally able to get video of the race. I can post it up if anyone is interested in an older race in which we know who won.

[pdisme]

I'd like to see and hear it; this stuff rarely makes tv around here.

[markr]

Here you go. Right Click and Save Please . . .:grinning-smiley-003

Part 1
http://www.mrobonline.com/FIA.GT.2007.Round1.Zhuhai.Part1.Sport1.XviD.avi

Part 2
http://www.mrobonline.com/FIA.GT.2007.Round1.Zhuhai.Part2.Sport1.XviD.avi

Part 3
http://www.mrobonline.com/FIA.GT.2007.Round1.Zhuhai.Part3.Sport1.XviD.avi

Good stuff, enjoy.

[pdisme]

Awesome videos, the in-car reverse view was great seeing the cars behind them. Murci with a sequential gear box was cool to see too. :)

[markr]

Awesome videos, the in-car reverse view was great seeing the cars behind them. Murci with a sequential gear box was cool to see too. :)

Yes, the rear camera view really shows how close they are dicing. Those sequential gear boxes are what I would love to see put in a real car. None of this semi auto, no clutch pedal, paddle shift none sense. As far as I know the TVR Sagaris (I believe) and Gumpert Apollo are only road cars that come from the factory with true sequential gear boxes.

[pdisme]

My Radical has a sequential dog box transmission; it can be made street legal in the UK. :)

[markr]

My Radical has a sequential dog box transmission; it can be made street legal in the UK. :)

This is true. I should have said cars with "H" pattern based transmissions not motorcylce transmissions. :banghead: :)

[zzzzdoc]

Sequential dog box????

[pdisme]

Sequential dog box????

Dog engagement instead of synchro.

[markr]

Dog engagement instead of synchro.

Hence, the need for rev matching on the downshift.

[pdisme]

Hence, the need for rev matching on the downshift.

Yeah, I need to work on that. :(

[markr]

Yeah, I need to work on that. :(

Yea, me to. I have good days and bad days.:banghead:

[pdisme]

My foot isn't particularly wide so I have trouble keeping much contact at all with my heel on the gas when I have to go for the brake in the Radical. The pedals unscrew so I'm looking around for a wider brake pedal that I could put on there.

[markr]

Here is some additional footage. It's a six minute video clip with excellent audio of the motors at work as well as very good video and audio of the sequential gearboxes used in the GT cars along with the heal/toe method we were discussing. Good stuff, I saved this one.

http://www.gigawave.co.uk/g7Media/fiagt_zhuhai.wmv

[zzzzdoc]

Yeah, I need to work on that. :(

Sounds like what I had on the Formula 2000 car. But it wasn't sequential, the pattern was an X instead of an H (real PIA). As I said, if I had true padlle shifting, I would have been dramatically faster.

[zzzzdoc]

My foot isn't particularly wide so I have trouble keeping much contact at all with my heel on the gas when I have to go for the brake in the Radical. The pedals unscrew so I'm looking around for a wider brake pedal that I could put on there.

I was taught that most people do it with the side of their right foot, not the heel. I have wide feet so that was definitely better for me.

My biggest problem was that I really have to brake hard to line up the pedals. If I delayed the shift, and was only trail-braking, the pedals didn't line up. Might not be an issue with your heel, but certainly with the side of your foot.

What approach do others of you use?

[zzzzdoc]

My foot isn't particularly wide so I have trouble keeping much contact at all with my heel on the gas when I have to go for the brake in the Radical. The pedals unscrew so I'm looking around for a wider brake pedal that I could put on there.
Also, I think the height of the pedals, not the width is more important to adjust.

Anyone who really knows the answer care to help us out?

[markr]

I was taught that most people do it with the side of their right foot, not the heel. I have wide feet so that was definitely better for me.

My biggest problem was that I really have to brake hard to line up the pedals. If I delayed the shift, and was only trail-braking, the pedals didn't line up. Might not be an issue with your heel, but certainly with the side of your foot.

What approach do others of you use?

I also used the side of my foot on the gas. The problem with the '06 Lotus is that it now uses DBW so the pedals are no longer ajustable like the '05 models. The gas pedal is simply to low to get to if you are not threshold or braking fairly hard.

[pdisme]

Side would probably be more accurate, I try to keep my heel planted on the pedal box, since the gas pedal comes up from the floor and there's a bump there you can keep your foot pressed against, so ideally if I can get the brake pedal over a bit to the right, I could have the bottom right half of my foot stay in contact with the gas pedal while also braking. Although that's probably the opposite of how I should do it since the brake pedal is the one that requires the force; maybe extending the gas pedal to the left would be a better goal so I can full force the brake pedal and the gas pedal can intentionally 'get in the way' if I'm pressing off the right side of the brake.

[pdisme]

I tried to start a thread on this a while back but didn't get any takers. :)

http://www.talklambo.com/showthread.php?t=145

It has a video of a really good heel-toe driver, he seems to have his foot off the floor when braking and slides it to the right to get the desired press on the fuel pedal, really incredible to watch with the engine sound.

[markr]

Here is what has been historically considered the proper way to heel/to. Keep in mind everyone does it to their liking. . .

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49508&stc=1&d=1173889924

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49509&stc=1&d=1173889931

Now because of the '06 Lotus gas padal being considerable lowe than the brake, many of us are doing the following . . .

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49530&stc=1&d=1173924626

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/goretro77/DSC02171.jpg

[pdisme]

The second pic is what I try to do, foot just isn't wide enough to get good coverage on both pedals. The Radical pedal depth is good for heel-toe though, the amount of gas you need during braking/shifting is delivered by having the pedal about at where you'd be at while braking.

[markr]

I tried to start a thread on this a while back but didn't get any takers. :)

http://www.talklambo.com/showthread.php?t=145

It has a video of a really good heel-toe driver, he seems to have his foot off the floor when braking and slides it to the right to get the desired press on the fuel pedal, really incredible to watch with the engine sound.

To anwer you question, the "pros" heal/toe regardless of how much they are braking and that is what makes them good. The factory Porshe drivers have always been the most impressive to watch during the ALMS racings when there in person. They do it in the same place everytime, every lap. In contrast if you listen to the factory vettes you wont' here the "blip" on the down shift because they don't use the clutch so they don't heal toe.

[pdisme]

Yeah, if you have the funds, you can downshift a dog box with no clutch, it will just wear out significantly faster, but who cares when you're sponsored. :)

[zzzzdoc]

They insisted that we upshift WITHOUT engaging the clutch with the dog box on the Formula Cars.

Why is that?

[pdisme]

It's not necessary to clutch on upshift in dog engagement, just have to lift the throttle slightly. Downshift you do want to clutch although the pro's don't always do that since they don't care about replacing the transmission frequently. :)

[pdisme]

More Lambo good stuff, 2nd place in round 3:

http://www.fiagt.com/results.php?event=3&season=2007&session=Race%20Result

[markr]

More Lambo good stuff, 2nd place in round 3:

http://www.fiagt.com/results.php?event=3&season=2007&session=Race%20Result

That indeed was a great race if not for the rain. From no international podiums to two in one season. Good stuff.

[zzzzdoc]

Damn, sandwiched between two MC12s and ahead of a DBR9.

Nice job.